Gentile Times reconsidered. A must read for anyone interested in the WTS 607/Gentile Times B.S Then I'm going to start on Ray Franz's 2 nd book In Search of Christian Freedom.
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Over 4 months, still no response to this letter to the elders!
by Greybeard inhi everyone, its been over 4 months and i have not heard a response from the elders.
i called one of them a few weeks back.
he said they sent it to bethel and haven't heard back yet.
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Newly Enlightened
Sorry to hear about your troubles Greybeard. We will pray for you & your family.
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Fake money in contribution boxes
by enigma1863 insomeone posted a great idea i felt should have its own discussion thread.
i think it would be really cool if we could get people around the country or world to donate fake money in the contribution boxes that have thought provoking messages.
kinda like money tracts.
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Newly Enlightened
Only if you're sending something illegal thru the mail.
Or trying to commit a fraud using the U.S.P.S
Dumb enough to use your personal mailbox to send them out
and put a return address on them
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Fake money in contribution boxes
by enigma1863 insomeone posted a great idea i felt should have its own discussion thread.
i think it would be really cool if we could get people around the country or world to donate fake money in the contribution boxes that have thought provoking messages.
kinda like money tracts.
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Newly Enlightened
I just printed up a bunch of those checks and will be sending them in. And in an act of rebellion, my cousin who is an elder in our congregation had gone to Costco a few years ago bought a box of 1,000 envelopes and a 100 stamps and gave them to me to do letter writing field service.
Now I am going to take all those stamps and envelopes and flood the WTBT$ with a 100 of these checks & fake bills
If anyone else wishes to use that idea and join me in an act of rebellion I WELCOME you and your support in my rebellion....In fact I think that I will start a new topic about our rebellion against the WTBT$
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Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation
by Newly Enlightened inso about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".
after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.
" they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.
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Newly Enlightened
I was actually on the phone with him for 1 1/2 hours, but didn't want to write everything in a 'War & Peace novel' haha But the reason he called me was not only to tell me that he had heard the DC talk say that, but asked me if they had sent the letter to me that the Catholic Church is sending around to their priests. I don't know if this is world wide, this country, or only in our state, But I told him that they had not sent it to me, but would like it. in this letter the CC is telling their priests NOT to use the name Jehovah in their sermons anymore becasue it is an invented name. So I asked Cousin Elder: Me: Have you ever done any research in the name Jehovah? E: Yes, I know that it's not God's name Me: Then why use it? E: Because that is the most popular form and we really don't know the true name of God Me: Then we should at least Yahweh since it's at least closer to the tetragramaton. Would you read an article from the Catholic website about the name Jehovah if I sent you the link? E: Yes I will Me: They even mention Jehovah's Witnesses in there E: In a negative way? Me: No, nothing negative, just that JW's have even taken that name for themselves when it's an invented name by a Dominican Monk Here's the link I sent him: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah We'll see. If I can just get him to think of 1 little thing that may not be true. Hopefully he'll read those things I sent him and think. I also sent them the link to the Guardian magazine article about WTBT$ being a member of the U.N
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Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation
by Newly Enlightened inso about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".
after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.
" they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.
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Newly Enlightened
So about a week ago, I showed my cousin & her husband [An Elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study WT and asked, "If Jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?"
After several minutes of searching, dead silence.
I then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 Summer District conv the part about "Our spiritual mother, where the C.O said that "The bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself." They were shocked and said that I must have misheard it because that would be apostasy. But they had an audio copy of the conv. and would listen to it and get back to me.
So cousin elder calls me this afternoon and says that yes, they heard them say that.
Me: Do you remember what you said that it would be apostasy?
E: I never said that, but now that I heard the entire thing it's like the Ethiopian Eunich and we cannot understand the bible without 'Mother's' help.
Me: But people have been reading and understanding the bible for thousands of years without the WTS.
E: But all your knowledge, where did you get it?
Me: From reading and studying the bible.
E: But who helped you understand all these deeper things of God?
Me: Russell started this religion and he didn't have anyone teaching him, he just started reading the bible and came up with his ideas.
E: but he studied the bible searching for truth with help of the holy spirit
Me: Russel was a whackadoodle that was into pyramids and Freemasons symbols [Told him to get his Proclaimer's book pg 88] You see his books at the top of the page? Those outstretched wings are the Egyptian Sun disk for one of their God's and the WT has mason symbols all over it how is that finding the truth. He took a little from every religion of the day
E: But like you he started without knowing and made some mistakes, like the pyramid thing, celebrating x-mas etc
Me: Yeah but I'm not starting my own religion claiming to be the ONLY channel thru God to salvation either!"
So, I will more than likely be hearing from our local elders. I did send my cousin & him the article from the Guardian magazine about the WTS being members of the U.N and he promised they would read it, but he doesn't believe it for a minute and told me so.
Point to all this. You cannot reason with the Jdubs. If they cannot hear the true shepherd's voice becasue of the WT cult brain washing then the error is their's.
Peace to all and may the Most High and Jesus bless you
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Has a wrong disfellowshipping ever been reversed?
by lostnotfound inim not talking about simply being reinstated.
i remember hearing a story about a brother that was disfellowshipped because of the testimony of two false witnesses.
years passed before they admitted to lying about the brother and was reinstated.. what is policy in this sort of situation?
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Newly Enlightened
My single sister had an affair with a married Non-Witness, got pregnant, but because she went in there crying her eyes out and saying how sorry she was, and how it had ruined her life and Jehovah would never forgive her.
They only 'Publicly reproved' her because she had been thru enough. Meanwhile a friend of ours, single sister, about the same age, slept with her boyfriend, got pregnant and the SAME elders DF'd her. The minute they announced that my sister was only PR'd the sister's father raised a big stink and threatened a lawsuit against the JC elders for discrimination [Because his daughter was barely attending meetings]. The following week the elders announced that after careful consideration, they reduced the other sister's status to only PR'd also.
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The moment the light went on in this newbies head!
by awakening ini always knew as a kid tt wasnt for me.
i did not know ttatt but how could something thats supposed to be warm, loving and beneficial feel so wrong?
the light went on when i happened to be watching some chat show that had a family of white supremecists on.
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Newly Enlightened
Welcome aboard Awakening. We love seeing all these Newbies. You will find many useful subjects on this board and JWfacts has quite a few great topics and evidence. Peace be with you on your journey.
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Newly Enlightened
WELCOME, loved hearing your story. So glad to hear you have your daughter with you. I know you have been thru hell, but sit back, breathe and relax. You're among friends who understand what you've been thru. I would have kept the briefcase and just dumped everything onto the stage and take your case with you. LOL
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Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No
by Witness 007 inim amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!
and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.
and all..
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Newly Enlightened
Sweetie, you forgot to mention how your future in-laws freaked out when you were bringing him home and the two of you would be flying home alone, across country, in airports & on the airplane sitting together!!!!